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Marissa Alexander Released on Bail

28 Nov

Marissa Alexander is the Florida woman who was sentenced to 20 years in prison…

For shooting some drywall.

In the same state where George Zimmerman got “not guilty” for murder – and doesn’t seem to be able to go to jail for shoving guns in the faces of his soon-to-be ex-wife and girlfriend.

At least she gets to spend this Thanksgiving, and possibly Christmas with her kids while awaiting retrial.

Woman Sentenced For Firing Alleged ‘Warning Shot’ At Her Husband Gets Released

The Jacksonville woman awaiting a new trial in a controversial “stand your ground” case is free on bond.

First Coast News (http://fcnews.tv/18q19sa) reports that Marissa Alexander was released from jail Wednesday. According to the Duval County Clerk of Court, she must remain under house arrest while awaiting trial.

In 2012, Alexander was sentenced to a mandatory 20-year prison sentence for firing what she insisted was a warning shot during a fight with her husband. She tried to invoke Florida’s “stand your ground” law, but the judge threw out her self-defense claim.

An appeals court ruled in September that the judge in the case gave improper jury instructions.

Alexander says she fired a bullet at a wall in 2010 to scare off her husband when she felt he was threatening her.

 

 
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15 responses to “Marissa Alexander Released on Bail

  1. lwk2431

    November 29, 2013 at 11:32 AM

    “For shooting some drywall.”

    Which just happened to be very close to her estranged husband and several children.

    “In the same state where George Zimmerman got “not guilty” for murder – and doesn’t seem to be able to go to jail for shoving guns in the faces of his soon-to-be ex-wife and girlfriend.”

    Very, very different cases. This women left the living room where she was having a heated discussion, went to her car and got a gun, and then came _back_ into the room and fired a shot. That’s a crime dude. No 20 years was excessive, but that was due to a bad law that mandated it, and her stupidity in not taking a plea deal in a case where she was clearly guilty of a crime.

    Zimmerman was acting in self defense to save his life as he was being attacked with a deadly weapon (the concrete that Trayvon was repeatedly bashing his head into). A jury saw the evidence and they found him not guilty. Period.

    As to his latest episode there is a reasonable chance he could be convicted of a crime, but how about this, why don’t we wait for the verdict before declaring him guilty, at least this one time?

    regards,

    lwk

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    • roderick2012

      December 2, 2013 at 9:16 AM

      Lwk2431: Zimmerman was acting in self defense to save his life as he was being attacked with a deadly weapon (the concrete that Trayvon was repeatedly bashing his head into). A jury saw the evidence and they found him not guilty. Period

      You left out the part where George willfully followed Trayvon AFTER he had contacted the police and AFTER the dispatcher told him to cease and desist.

      We all know by the NEN call that George followed Trayvon because he didn’t want Trayvon ‘to get away like the other a-holes’ did.

      It’s interesting that people like you claim that justice was served but you feel the need to defend the verdict. LOL

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  2. btx3

    November 29, 2013 at 11:45 AM

    Marissa Alexander, 33, of Jacksonville, Fla., is now under house arrest while she awaits a new trial. The mother of three had spent the last two years in prison for a domestic violence dispute in which she allegedly fired two warning shots at Rico Gray, Sr., who admitted he had threatened to kill her, NewsOne reports.

    “If my kids weren’t there, I knew I probably would have tried to take the gun from her,” Gray said. “If my kids wouldn’t have been there, I probably would have put my hand on her.” When asked by Alexander’s defense attorney what he meant by “put my hand on her,” Gray replied, “probably hit her. I got five baby mammas and I put my hands on every last one of them except for one.”

    You were burbling?

    Insofar as Zimmerman – That scratch on his head which only started bleeding AFTER the cops let him go the first time look like the sort of damage 20 lbs of concrete would do?

    That’s a lie.

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    • roderick2012

      December 2, 2013 at 9:18 AM

      btx3: That scratch on his head which only started bleeding AFTER the cops let him go

      It was probably an injury he suffered at the MMA gym or from a fight with Shellie.

      IIRC George was taken to the hospital in August 2011 after he was injured at the MMA gym.

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      • btx3

        December 2, 2013 at 9:45 PM

        Had Trayvon shot Zimmerman, the man who was stalking him …

        You can bet Trayvon would be in jail now.

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      • roderick2012

        December 3, 2013 at 8:44 AM

        @ Btx, Trayvon was on trial.

        From O’Mara smearing him in the media to Juror B37 calling him ‘that black boy’ while referring to George as ‘George’.

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      • btx3

        December 3, 2013 at 10:56 PM

        Yeah – I have to agree on that one.

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  3. lwk2431

    November 29, 2013 at 1:37 PM

    I am not saying that her husband was a nice, or innocent guy. It doesn’t sound like it. But nevertheless what she did was a crime and she was guilty. What she did had nothing to do with self defense. It had to do with trying to intimidate another person by firing a gun at him (or near him, whatever her real intent or marksmanship). Regardless of mitigating circumstances that is a crime, a felony in just about any jurisdiction I know of.

    What was wrong, given the context, was the punishment meted out. That was way wrong (but reflects on inflexible laws where intelligent discretion is not given to the judge). Even if she gets a new trial she should still be found guilty, again (unless the jurors decide to practice jury nullification which is their right).

    As to Zimmerman, here is a link to a set of links with an insider account of the trial (an expert witness).

    Inside the Zimmerman Trial
    http://free2beinamerica2.wordpress.com/2013/08/28/inside-the-zimmerman-trial/

    regards,

    lwk

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    • btx3

      November 29, 2013 at 7:11 PM

      What I am saying is that when you go back through the actual transcript, it doesn’t track with the information you have. She was locked in the bathroom, while he was trying to break down the door. She fired two shots into the ceiling, which were of no danger whatsoever to either him or the children.

      The story about her firing into the wall next to him was manufactured by the fecund racist minds at Faux News.

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      • lwk2431

        November 30, 2013 at 12:05 PM

        And you have a link to an actual official transcript that says that she fired a warning shot while locked in the bathroom while he was trying to break in? If you have that, then please post the link.

        Everything I have seen for the case shows her in the living room, firing a handgun in the general direction of her husband and children _after_ going to her car and retrieving the gun and _returning_ to the room to fire the shot.

        But if you have something official that says the above is fiction please post it.

        regards,

        lwk

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      • btx3

        November 30, 2013 at 7:34 PM

        From the actual words of the “assaulted” –

        Angela Corey: “the bullet happened to ricochet up into the ceiling instead of into one of the two children she aimed the gun at… the 911 call backs up the version that she went and got the gun and fired it out of anger, not fear.”

        Kevin Cobbin: “the shot that was fired went through the wall in an upward direction right into the ceiling…Even Mr. Gray’s own son said that the gun was never pointed at anyone…Ms. Alexander went from having the gun down by her side when she was attacked, she raised it up in the air, flinched because she was afraid that she was going to get hit by him [Rico Gray] and fired one shot and it went straight up in a angular trajectory to the wall into the ceiling.”

        Rico Gray (911 call):
        :06-“She just shot at me with her gun…”
        :46-“She was shooting at me and my son” 4:45-“I can’t believe she’d shoot in front of me…[corrects himself] shoot at [emphasis his] me…I’m so pissed off right now.” 4:54-“I’m so pissed off right now.” 7:12-“She just aimed the gun at us then she shot…well I know she probably wasn’t aiming at my kids…but she might as well be…”

        Rico Gray (In the deposition): “I was walking toward her because she was telling me to leave the whole time…I was cursing and all that…and she shot in the air one time…(later in deposition)…if my kids weren’t there I probably would have put my hands on her.”

        Rico Gray to Politic365blog : “I was begging for my life while my kids were holding on to my side, the gun was pointed at me.”

        Rico Gray to Loop21blog : ““When the incident happened, I thought I was going to die in front of my kids that day…She pointed the gun at me…and my kids.”

        http://www.letstalkaboutit.info/2012/05/different-views-on-marissa-alexanders_11.html

        And BTW – Bullets don’t “ricochet” anymore due to the high velocity imparted by modern powder charges. They tend to vaporize, or massively deform when they hit anything hard losing all of their energy.

        http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/bouncing-bullet.htm.

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  4. lwk2431

    December 1, 2013 at 5:34 PM

    There is nothing in the testimony above that she was in the bathroom.

    However there is this:

    Angela Corey: “the bullet happened to ricochet up into the ceiling instead of into one of the two children she aimed the gun at… the 911 call backs up the version that she went and got the gun and fired it out of anger, not fear.”

    Note “she went and got the gun …” If she went somewhere else to get the gun she could have simply left instead of coming back to shoot. That indicates she was not acting to save her life or to prevent an imminent attack. In law that is a very critical point and why, if true, she was guilty of a crime.

    Now I have been in a real trial and over time people “refine” their account of what happened, sometimes to the point it hardly resembles their initial testimony. I am sure that both the husband and wife did that.

    I think we can give her the benefit of the doubt that she intended a warning shot instead of just missing him when she intended to shoot him. But even if we give her the benefit of the doubt on that, the real thing that makes her guilty of a crime is going and getting a gun and coming back. By her own protective order she should not have even been in that house.

    “And BTW – Bullets don’t “ricochet” anymore due to the high velocity imparted by modern powder charges. They tend to vaporize, or massively deform when they hit anything hard losing all of their energy.”

    You don’t know what you are talking about. There are guns that fire bullets at speeds as low as 600-700 feet per second (fps) and some higher than 4,000 fps (the typical M16 bullet used by the military will be about 3,000 fps).

    Handguns will most typically be on the low end and the highest probability is that her handgun – depending on a number of variables – probably did not exceed 1,000 fps and depending on the bullet design could easily ricochet.

    Some bullets expand, typically those used for self defense and hunting. A very few bullets are frangible meaning they are designed to break up on impact. A typical M16 bullet will easily penetrate a number of walls in a house without any problem whatsoever. An M14 bullet will go clean through an engine block of a truck.

    So yes, many modern bullets do ricochet and I am an expert on that. I served in the military (Vietnam), have been shooting and _building_ rifles for nearly 50 years, and handloading my own ammo. I have a certificate as a professional gunsmith from the Colorado School of Trades in 1976. What bullets do is very variable, but very few will “vaporize” on impact.

    regards,

    lwk

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    • btx3

      December 2, 2013 at 8:59 PM

      That’s nice, fee2- but what you are talking about is certain rifle bullets. Modern pistols, with off-the-shelf ammunition generally have a muzzle velocity in the 900-1300 fps range. While it is possible to get in the 1600 range with some very light bullet weights – other than some of the high end super-mags like 454 Casull you just aren’t going to get anything above about 1300 out of your average over the counter gun. And I don’t know of anything other than a few custom rounds which can punch 2000. And I don’t know of anything from a modern handgun travelling much below 800, except possibly some of the anemic 25 cals. My .45s do about 1100 with OTS ammo, and I can get 1600 out of a custom .460, and a 38 Super running comp ammo. At a distance of 5-15 feet, any OTS bullet fired from a pistol vaporizes or massively deforms when it hits a hard target. The bullet is designed to do that. And no – that isn’t frangible ammo. Military ammo is a different animal, as it is designed to go through things like walls. It is Full Metal Jacket by international law. Civilian ammo isn’t, and often is designed to be soft with the added advantage of being hollow point. MA uses corrosive powder, which imparts a higher muzzle velocity, Civilian ammo doesn’t use that.

      Rifles are a different matter. The 223 is purposely designed for a high muzzle velocity to make up what the round lacks in mass. It is deadly against soft targets at short ranges, but the downside is that the round fragments easily. Meaning it isn’t very good against targets at longer range, doesn’t have the velocity to fragment before penetrating. It is not a match even for a 9 mm fired from a pistol in terms of penetration at short ranges. The round also fragments massively and bounces off hard targets…And as shown in Iraq, even car windshields. And that is with the Military FMJ bullet. Yes it will go though drywall…providing it doesn’t hit a stud.

      http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?Itemid=26&id=14&option=com_content&task=view

      You need to go to an indoor range sometime when they are closed and cleaning up and look at what is left on the floor next to the back wall. It will be educational.

      As for the Nazi part – there is no moral difference between West and these guys. The only difference being their superiors supported their atrocities.

      Heinz Lammerding was a high ranking and decorated Nazi figure that ran a collection of Third Reich military groups, including the Waffen-SS and 2. SS-Division Das Reich. On different occasions, Lammerding organized large scale massacres against French civilians. On June 8, 1944, he ordered a reprisal massacre of civilians in Tulle, France. During the event, hundreds of male civilians were rounded up by the SS and 120 people were randomly selected and hanged from lamp posts and balconies in the town. To make a point, 99 of the men were tortured before their death.

      In the early part of World War II, Heinz Reinefarth participated in the invasion of Poland and the capture of France. On April 20, 1942, he was promoted to SS-Brigadeführer, the equivalent of Brigadier General. On January 29, 1944, Reinefarth was assigned to Reichsgau Wartheland, where Hitler put him in charge of any organized rebellion by the Poles. On August 1, 1944, the Warsaw Uprising began with the goal of pushing the Nazis out of Warsaw. In response to the event, Reinefarth entered the district of Wola and ordered the execution of 40,000 people. Thousands of Polish civilians were indiscriminately killed in mass executions. “The massacres in Wola had nothing in common with combat. The ratio of civilian to military dead was more than a thousand to one, even if military casualties on both sides are counted.” It has been estimated that 150,000-200,000 Polish civilians were killed during the uprising. During the massacre, Reinefarth sent a letter to the German command with the message: “we have more prisoners than ammunition to kill them.” For his actions, Reinefarth was awarded the Oak Leaves to his Knight’s Cross by Hitler.

      Klaus Barbie was eventually caught and sentenced to life in prison, but he lived a free man for 39 years after the end of World War II. Barbie, also known as the Butcher of Lyon, was an SS-Hauptsturmführer (captain) and Gestapo member. After the Nazi conquest and occupation of the Netherlands, Barbie was assigned to Amsterdam. In 1942, after the fall of France, he went to Lyon as the head of the local Gestapo. In France, Barbie gained the reputation for extreme violence and brutality. He ordered the death of 14,000 people and personally tortured men, women, and children. On many occasions Barbie was noted for breaking extremities, using electroshock, and sexually abusing women.

      Barbie tortured and killed French Resistance fighters in order to get them to talk…To save his men.

      Last thing- I shot comp for a number of years with pistols. I don’t know that much about rifles or wildcatting. And for those muzzle velocities go here –

      http://www.ballistics101.com/38_super.php

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      • lwk2431

        December 4, 2013 at 6:07 AM

        “MA uses corrosive powder, which imparts a higher muzzle velocity, Civilian ammo doesn’t use that.”

        By “MA” I presume you mean “military ammo.” There is no such thing as “corrosive powder.” Corrosion is caused by primers that use mercury which forms a salt that is corrosive. There is no particular advantage in terms of power or velocity. Probably was just a little cheaper to manufacture.

        lwk

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      • btx3

        December 4, 2013 at 9:21 AM

        You are correct on that lwk, it is the potassium chlorate in the primer which makes it corrosive. My error.

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